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Rob Castro (center) is flanked by Jerry "Crab Fries" Lynch and Alex Chis-Luca as he displays his Man of the Year Award from the U.S. Laccrosse Association.
Hamilton's Castro named US Lacrosse's Man of the Year

Hamilton West senior John Novak was one of nine Hamilton Township boys lacrosse players named to the coaches CVC All-Patriot Division team (Photo by Nancy Eggert).
June 6 Boys Lacrosse
Five Stars, two Spartans and two Hornets make All-Patriot
May 16-17 Boys Lacrosse
Steinert, Stars lose state openers, West falls to Stevens
May 17: Nottingham's first trip into the state tournament was a quick one, as Seneca took a 14-0 halftime lead and went on to an 18-1 victory in the South Jersey Group 2 Tournament today.
On Thursday in SJ3 play, Steinert dropped an 18-2 decison at Shawnee.
In a regular-season game today, John Novak scored three goals in Hamilton's 15-3 loss to JP Stevens.
May 15 Boys Lacrosse
New Egypt gains its first win against West; Stars win
With the ball in the air Nottingham's Jon Pope (5) and Tristan Delorrme (6) outnumber Steinert's Chance Eggert as they all look to pursue it in Monday's MCT consolation game. It was another classic between to the two rivals, as Steinert tied it with 1:58 in regulation and Tyler Gulsby's goal with 1:20 left in the first overtime gave the Spartans an 8-7 victory. In the below photo Steinert's Pat Harchick battles Aiman Elsowiny In three games. All three games between the two were one-goal decisions with Nottingham winning 8-7 and Steinert winning 7-6 in the previous contests (Photo by Wes "The Media Mogul" Kirkpatrick). 

Nottingham's Jon Pope goes airborne to make a pass against Notre Dame during Thursday's Mercer County Tournament first-round game (Photo by Wes "The Media Mogul" Kirkpatrick).
May 9 MCT Boys Lacrosse
It was a long first-round day for Nottingham and Steinert

Steinert's Kent Truong is tracked down by Hamilton's Naeem Shuman during the Spartans 17-4 win Tuesday. The Spartans take a 6-7 record into Thursday's MCT game at PDS while the Hornets (2-10) will visit Allentown (Photo by Nancy Eggert).
May 6 Boys Lacrosse
West tops Ewing to play its way into MCT for first time

The Hamilton West boys lacrosse team celebrated its Senior Day prior to Saturday's 6-3 home loss to Delran, as the senior Hornets and their parents gathered for the celebration.
May 4 Boys Lacrosse
Hamilton West plays well in Senior Day loss to Delran

Steinert's Tyler Gulsby works his way toward the goal against Pennington during Friday's game (Photo by Nancy Eggert).
May 3 Boys Lacrosse
Steinert falls to Pennington in yet another overtime game

Nottingham's Reno LaRagione (3) is pursued by Steinert's Kent Truong during Thursday's Klockner Klash that wasn't decided until the final three minutes (Photo by Nancy Eggert).
May 2 Boys Lacrosse
Steinert avenges earlier loss to Nottingham on late goal

Jared Romanski assisted on the game-winning goal against Ewing Tuesday as Hamilton West's boys lacrosse team won for the first time since 2009 (Photo by Ken Weingartner).
Apr. 30 Boys Lacrosse
West snaps 60-match losing streak; Spartans pull one out
Lawrence' Alex Finan (11), who plagued Nottingham all day, faces off against the Northstars Aiman Elsowiny during Tuesday's battle (Photo by Wes "The Media Mogul" Kirkpatrick).
Apr. 30 Boys Lacrosse
Stars chance to clinch first division title thwarted by Cards

Steinert's Pat Harchik goes down for a draw against Ewing during the Spartans road win on Thursday (Photo by Nancy Eggert).
Apr. 25 Boys Lacrosse
Steinert takes care of Ewing; Northstars defeat Delran

Prior to Tuesday's win over Ewing, coach Jerry "Crab Fries" Lynch posed with the Northstar seniors who have helped produce the greatest lacrosse season in the brief history of Nottingham High's boys' program (Photo by Wes "The Media Mogul" Kirkpatrick).
Apr. 23 Boys Lacrosse
Lots of contributors as Nottingham defeats Ewing

Nottingham's boys' lacrosse team had good reason to celebrate Saturday as a last-second goal gave the Northstars their first victory ever over arch-rival Steinert (Photo by Ken Weingartner).
Apr. 20 Boys Lacrosse
DeLorme's late goal gives Stars win over Spartans

Nottingham's Jake Andrejcik cradles the ball upfield while Hamilton's Jacob Gagliardi appears to have his eye on the ball during Thursday's township battle (Photo by Wes "The Media Mogul" Kirkpatrick).
Apr. 18 Boys Lacrosse
Nottingham gets past Hamilton despite lethargic play
Apr. 16 Boys Lacrosse
Delran rallies in the second half to keep West winless

Steinert's Alec Seitz weaves his way through traffic during the Spartans 17-3 loss to Hightstown Monday. Dan Perry had two Steinert goals and Tyler Gulsby added one (Photo by Nancy Eggert).

Jon Pope (5) and his teammates had plenty to celebrate Thursday as Pope's hat trick rallied Nottingham to a 5-4 win over Lawrence (Photo by Ken Weingartner).
Apr. 11 Boys Lacrosse
Historic win for Stars; West, Spartans both fall in two OTs

Steinert's Dan Perry looks for room to maneuver against Ewing during the Spartans win over the Blue Devils Tuesday (Photo by Nancy Eggert).
Apr. 9 Boys Lacrosse
Steinert gets past Ewing; Nottingham tops Delran

Nottingham's Alexis Santiago scores on a shot over Hamilton's Matt Labay during Saturday's township tilt at Nottingham (Photo by Ken Weingartner).
Apr. 6 Boys Lacrosse
Nottingham shows its maturity in win over Hamilton

Steinert's Eric Johnson is dogged by Hamilton's Alex Andrese during Thursday's township clash at West (Photo by John Blaine/purchase photos at jbsportsphoto@aol.com).
Apr. 4 Boys Lacrosse
Steinert defeats Hamilton 14-5; Nottingham beats Ewing

Tyler Gulsby scored a goal for the second straight day but Steinert fell to Lawrence, 9-2 (Photo by Nancy Eggert).
Apr. 2 Boys Lacrosse
Spartans fall to Lawrence, Northstars fall in overtime
Steinert's Tanner Down defends against Jackson Liberty during the Spartans 11-4 season opening loss in Jackson Monday. Anthony Chiavarone had two goals in the game while Chance Eggert and Tyler Gulsby each had one (Photo by Nancy Eggert).

Nottingham's Jake Andrejcik (15) and Steinert's Kent Truong (22) are back on defense and offense, respectively, for the Northstars and Spartans this season (Photo by Wes "The Media Mogul" Kirkpatrick).
Boys Lacrosse Previews
Hamilton has a young but somewhat experienced group
Nottingham will count on plenty of returning starters
Steinert hopes to remain competitive while rebuilding
Boys Lacrosse
Stars land five players on CVC All-Valley Division team

Senior Brant Lippincott cut it close, waiting until his last high school game to score his first varsity goal, which he accomplished against Neptune Saturday (Photo by Ken Weingartner).
May 19 Boys Lacrosse
Hamilton finishes a down season with high spirits
May 18 Boys Lacrosse
Hot scorer scalds West but Knowles plays well in loss
May 17 Boys Lacrosse
Steinert falls in states; Stars win finale; Hornets lose
Seniors like Andrew Warner can graduate next month saying they were part of the first boys lacrosse team from both Steinert and Hamilton Township to qualify for the state tournament, as the Spartans take on top-seeded Moorestown Thursday (Photo by John Blaine/purchase photos at jbsportsphoto@aol.com).
May 16 Boys Lacrosse
Steinert accomplishes a first; Lynch becomes dad again
A proud group of Hamilton West boys lacrosse seniors celebrated their perserverence at Monday's Senior Day. The Hornets haven't won much, but they have stuck with it and had fun while doing so.
May 14 Boys Lacrosse
Hornet seniors a proud bunch; Stars tough in defeat
Steinert's John Powers (4) depends against Robbinsville during Saturday's Mercer County Tournament game (Photo by Mary Malone).
May 12 MCT Boys Lacrosse
Stars impressed by Hoval; Steinert falls to Ravens
May 10 Boys Lacrosse
Nottingham gets by Hornets in rough and tumble game
May 8 Boys Lacrosse
Pfrunder scores school-record six goals in Stars' win

John Terry, pursued by a Hamilton player, goes after a loose ball during Thursday's MCT play-in game (Photo by Wes "The Media Mogul" Kirkpatrick).
May 3 Boys Lacrosse
Stars top Hornets in MCT play-in; Amodie faces the giant 
Matt "The Parminator" Parmigiani had a second straight good game in goal against New Egypt but the Warriors still emerged victorious over Steinert Tuesday (Photo by John Blaine/purchase photos at jbsportsphoto@aol.com).
May 1 Boys Lacrosse
Steinert loses to New Egypt; Stars and Hornets both fall
Click here for Boys Mercer County Tournament Lacrosse Bracket 
Tristen DeLorme must have felt like a Northstar Sandwich after being crunched between two Lawrence defenders during Nottingham's strong effort on Thursday (Photo by John Blaine/purchase photos at jbsportsphoto@aol.com).
Apr. 26 Boys Lacrosse
Devenney gets 50th in win; Stars strong; West battles
Apr. 24 Boys Lacrosse
Steinert learns but loses; West beaten; RV tops Stars 
Nottingham's Anthony Pfrunder displays his Fish4Scores t-shirt while waitress Lauren Mulryne presents the senior with his JoJo's gift card after Anthony was named the JoJo's Tavern/Fish4Scores Athlete of the Week (Photo by Rich Fisher).
Apr. 22 JoJo's/Fish4Scores Athlete of the Week
Veteran Pfrunder a scoring force for Northstars lacrosse 
Steinert's Brian Goldberg does a little fancy stickwork to control the ball against Nottingham while teammate Anthony Chiavarone and Northstar Jake Andrejcik pursue the play (Photo by Dennis Symons Jr./purchase photos at dennissymons.com).
Apr. 21 Boys Lacrosse
Steinert wears down Nottingham; weary Hornets fall
Apr. 20 Boys Lacrosse
Hamilton seniors show heart through losing adversity

Nottingham's Matt MacNeal makes things difficult for Hamilton's John Novak during the Northstars historic first victory on Thursday (Photo by Brian "Action News" McCarthy).
Apr. 19 Boys Lacrosse
Stars top Hornets for first victory; Spartans fall to Rams

Hamilton's Izel Key (left) tries to dislodge the ball from Steinert's James Elie during today's township clash (Photo by John Blaine/purchase photos at jbsportsphoto@aol.com).
Apr. 17 Boys Lacrosse
Steinert cures ills against West; Stars just miss first 'W'
Apr. 14 Boys Lacrosse
Hornets, Stars still love the game despite more losses
Matt "The Parminator" Parmigiani drew rave reviews from both coaches Thursday during his 14-save effort in Steinert's close setback to New Egypt.
Apr. 12 Boys Lacrosse
'Parminator' excels in loss; Chis-Luca, Lynch stay upbeat
Another stellar effort by Kyle Gulsby (above), along with six points by brother Tyler, sparked Steinert to its third straight win Tuesday (Photo by Ken Weingartner).
Apr. 10 Boys Lacrosse
Steinert improves to 3-0 as Gulsby brothers impress
Nottingham upended by Lawrence, Hornets fall to Rams
Steinert's Kyle Devenney celebrates his second-quarter goal with an unidentified teammate along with Dylan Keledy (14) and Nolan Kopec (15) (Photo by Mike Dill/purchase photos at michaeldillphotography.com).
Apr. 5 Boys Lacrosse
Steinert turns tables on Lawrence with late-period goals
West disappointed with loss to Ewing; RV rolls by Stars
Nottingham's Stuart Hasty offers his Steinert counterpart a friendly hello during today's township war at Nottingham (Photo by John Blaine/purchase photos at jbsportsphoto@aol.com).
Apr. 3 Boys Lacrosse
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Shane McCabe had four goals for Hamilton its loss at George Saturday (Photo by Ken Weingartner).
Mar. 31 Boys Lacrosse
Chis-Luca sees bright spots in Hornets opening-day loss
Nottingham lacrosse coach Jerry Lynch talks things over with his team during a preseason workout (Photo by John Blaine/purchase photos by e-mailing jbsportsphoto@aol.com).
2012 Boys Lacrosse Previews
Chis-Luca looks toward seniors to help lead the Hornets
Strong defense holds the key for Nottingham this season
Experienced Steinert aiming for a .500 record this year
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Jun 14, 2013
Does anyone get
this AD exchange
other than those who voted for it?
June 14: OK, I’ve learned how to be a good man with a good heart through a series of repetitive days in Punxsutawney, Pa. I was purchased at an auction and got to spend the night with Andie McDowell. When I woke up this morning, “I Got You Babe” was no longer on the radio.
Yes folks, Groundhog Day is over. And if you didn’t see the movie, you have no idea what I just wrote about. Anyway, in laymen’s terms, the blog is back and ready to roll.
And just so you know, since Feb. 2, I predicted Louisville would win the NCAA Tournament and Florida Gulf Coast would reach the Sweet 16. I predicted the Pacers would beat the Knicks in the playoffs, I predicted the Ravens would win the Super Bowl and there would be a power outage at the game; I predicted Nicole Kasian would win the Inaugural Fish Bowl; I predicted Orb would win the Kentucky Derby but not the Preakness or Belmont; I predicted Argo would win Best Picture and I predicted Brian “The Chef” Giallella would get his own show on the Food Network.
I just never wrote it down. But I definitely predicted it. And I still hold out hope for the Chef!
One thing I couldn’t predict, however, is the following item.
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Does anyone besides me find this Athletic Director swap between Hamilton West and Steinert quite perplexing?
OK, let me put it another way. Is there anyone not perplexed by it except for the six school board members who voted for it and the superintendent who defended it?
No one who really cares about this can give comments to the papers or me, or they will be looking for work so quick you’ll see a line of Kool-Aid Stands lined up from Five Points to the Whitehorse Circle with former educators all pouring the beverages. It’s called the “I want to say what I think but I have a family to feed” syndrome.
No one who voted for this gave any comment to the papers that I saw. Only Patty Del Guidice, one of the two who voted against it, gave her opinion as to why it was completely wrong that John Costantino was sent to Hamilton West and Steve Gazdek was sent to Steinert. And she made some darn good points.
Superintendent James Parla said he couldn’t comment, and would only say that sometimes a transfer can lead to a fresh perspective.
A fresh perspective!
Costantino has been at Steinert for less than two years! That’s about enough time to learn where all the lavatories are. I guess after two years he’s burned out and needs to go back to the school where he worked for 15 years.
If you’re gonna make a move and hide behind spin talk, at least make it something believable.
Tweets from students ran rampant once the announcement was tweeted by Fish4scores.
They weren’t happy tweets either. More like stunned tweets. And these are just from the kids, who were wondering what was going on.
Another tid-bit in Mike Macagnone’s interesting Trentonian story about this situation, is that Costantino was never given a reason for this puzzling move. He wanted to stay, they wanted him to go. If a guy is being forced to go somewhere against his wishes, shouldn’t he at least be given a reason?
Maybe there is no reason at all.
At least none that makes any sense.
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I am proud to say I have not watched one hockey game all year, but I watched the equivalent of one the other night when I watched the start of the third period of the Hawks-Bruins Stanley Cup final opening game. I ended up watching a full game plus the third OT and it was awesome.
I really can’t hang with hockey during the season but every year the NHL proves that there really is nothing better than playoff hockey. That’s what happens when referees actually let them play. It gives the drama the chance to gain momentum with non-stop action.
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Here’s a question. How good is Nottingham’s boys track & field team going to be with winter track back in Hamilton Township starting next winter? The Northstars have only gone 27-0 in dual meets without it.
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Speaking of Nottingham, was there a school in the CVC who had a better 1-2 freshman punch in spring sports than the Northstars?
Kristin Hallam was downright awesome as a freshman softball hitter and pitcher, while Grace Dwyer has become quite visible on the New Jersey track & field radar.
When I was at the Group III meet in South Plainfield, writers from papers all over the state were asking me about the standout distance runner.
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For those wondering, the road to Williamsport begins on June 29 when the District 12 Little League gets underway.
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Don’t forget next weekend when the Mercer County American Legion League holds its college showcase at Mercer Park. It’s really a good idea for kids to get seen by college coaches and lets hope it’s successful.
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Happy Father’s Day to all you dads out there! Now go cut the grass. Lol!
Feb 2, 2013
Groundhog Day is
blogging loophole
Feb. 2: Well, today is Groundhog Day.
And you know what that means? It means I have found a blogging loophole.
For all you people out there -- like Whalen and Costantino and the Baroness -- who insist on telling me I need a new blog just because they don't want to read the old one for 19 straight weeks, I have discovered the answer to my problem.
Again, I reiterate, it is Groundhog Day. And if you saw the Bill Murray movie, you know that Groundhog Day is the same day, over and over and over again.
Therefor, because I am writing this blog today, it gives me carte blanche to leave it up here over and over and over and over again. Moreso than usual. Like. . .forever!
You think you got tired of seeing Phil Alu and Jon Adams at the top of this blog?
You are REALLY gonna hate The Groundhog!
* * * *
Just want to pass along good luck wishes to Nottingham junior Josh Lajeunesse, one of the many class acts and key contributors on the Nottingham state champion football team. r Josh recently discovered he needs serious shoulder surgery, which will keep him out of action for four months and unfortunately cause him to miss track season.
"Yeah, but I gotta get ready for football," he said.
Yeah ya do buddy, so good luck on the surgery No. 2 and hope all goes well!
* * * *
Speaking of Nottingham football, seems they are taking Fish Bowl 1 quite serious.
"It was nice to win a state football title," said one administrator. "But to say we won both the state title and the Fish Bowl, now that would be something!
We are keeping the administrator anonymous lest he incur the wrath of Coach Adams for linking the two together . .but we know that secretly, the Big Dawg feels the same way! lol
* * * *
Speaking of Fish Bowl, I just want to thank everyone for participating. I had hoped to get about 20-30 responses and just run them straight down in a list. But with the great feedback from everyone we got 88 responses (89 counting Donna Brihn's dog) and rand allowed us to turn it into the Fish Bowl.
What's amazing is as a collective group we couldn't pick a winner! 44-44. Wow, a township divided!
Anyway, thanks for taking part in the fun folks, and good luck to you and your team!
* * * *
Oh, one other thing. We heard back from Phil Alu (there's that name again!) about his selection of Kyle Kaepernick as Super Bowl MVP.
"Holy crap! Now I know why my Fantasy Football team sucked all year. I was playing Kyle Kaepernck out of West Oak High School in Kalamazoo, Michigan all season and not Colin Kaepernick from the 49ers."
The sad think here is, Kyle Kaepernick even sucked for West Oak High School. And Kalamazoo football is weak!
* * * *
I love my mother, but I'll never play her Super Bowl pool again. She asked me to buy five blocks, which I did. She said she would fill them in and mail it to me, which she did.
But rather than scatter my name in different blocks all over the sheet, she wrote it straight down in five blocks.
The result? In all five of my boxes I have Baltimore and nine. Nine! Are you freakin kidding me? So much for having a lot of different chances to win this baby, which of course, is the reason for multiple blocks.
Love ya mom!
Hate your pool!
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OK, that's it. I hope you like this blog, cuz you're gonna see it over and over and over and over and over. All that's missing is a picture of Ned Ryerson and the soundtrack to I Got You Babe!
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Oh, and one more thing. Does anyone out there actually watch all 8 hours of pre-game Super Bowl shows that are available? If so, then you could actually read this blog over and over and over and never get bored. Because you reeeallly need a life!
Jan 27, 2013
Happy New Year!
Yeah yeah, I know, it's an old year by now. But hey, I haven't written anything since the new year so it's a New Year for Fish Tales.
Hope everybody had a great holiday, hope everybody enjoyed the NFL playoffs, hope everybody has returned all their gifts that sucked and I just hope everbody is doin' great dogawnnit!
I don't really have a heck of a lot on my mind, but I'm getting yelled at again by people saying to put up a new blog. They don't neccessarily care what I have to say, they just get tired of seeing the same thing at the top of this spot for so long. Sorry Big Dawg, all the love is gone now, they all hate you now due to over-exposure. You have joined Phil Alu as a "stayed at the top of the blog too long" poster boy. lol.
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OK, let's start with the Super Bowl.
I mean, you never really hear much about it (insert *rolls eyes* here) so we'll talk about it!
You know what's interesting. And this, like so many other things, speaks to the popularity of the NFL. The Supe is the one championship in sports that the TV Networks don't fret about.
In baseball they would moan if the World Series match-up is the Kansas City Royals vs. the Milwaukee Brewers. "Oh God, those aren't big TV markets!"
It wasn't always like that for the Series. It was the big thing, everyone cared. Kids rushed home from school as fast as possible to catch the end of the games. But not anymore. Games that last til 12:30 a.m. don't help the cause these days, but that's only part of it.
But I digress.
Take the NBA. If they don't have the Lakers and/or the Celtics/Miami in the finals, its like a mad dash for a bridge to jump off of.
"No one will watch this. Ohhhhh noooo!"
And if it's the NHL's Stanley Cup Playoffs.... . .um, what's like, the big match-up for the NHL? OK, forget that one.
But football has no such worries. This game could be the Jacksonville Jaguars vs. the Seattle Seahawks and it wouldn't matter. 999 gazillion people would tune in anyway, just because it's like an unofficial national law.
"Gonna watch the Super Bowl?"
"Oh yeah!"
"How come, you don't like football?"
"I know, but it's the Super Bowl?"
I mean, that's basically the answer people give, and it's just understood. Oh yeah, it's the Super Bowl.
And by the way, when is the NFL gonna give folks a break and make this game on a Saturday so people at all the parties can recover on Sunday? . They can't be clinging to tradition or the game would still start at 1 o'clock, the halftime show would still be the Hokey-Fanokie high school marching band and the tickets could still be purchased by folks outside the 1 percent of the people with all the money in the world.
I'm sure someone did some research and concluded "Can't move it to Saturday, too costly."
Oh well, it's still the Super Bowl and we'll all watch it. Cuz hey, it's the Super Bowl!
* * * *
Speaking of the Super Bowl, I don't know who's going to win and I don't care. But if I have to make a pick, I'd pick the Ravens.
How come?
I dunno. But I had to make a pick so I picked the Ravens.
* * * *
Here's a classic basketball official story. I will not reveal the names to protect the innocent (and guilty) but it was pretty good stuff.
Three refs walked into a CVC girls game earlier this year. As they entered the gym, one of the head coaches says "Oh here they come, the three blind mice."
To which one of them -- who I am proud to say lives in Hamilton -- promptly responded by going "Yeah, but one of us can hear," and slammed the coach with a techncial foul before the game even started.
Now that's style!
* * * *
I kind of lost a kindred spirit when Stan Musial passed away last week.
First off, Stan the Man was from Donora, Pa., and I had a roomate in college who hailed from Donora. His parents knew Musial and said he was the greatest guy ever.
Secondly, Musial got his 3,000th career hit on the day I was born.
Just think. . .two monumental occurrances on the same day!
Uh, OK. . one.
* * * *
So I have seen three of the movies nominated for the Oscars so far: Lincoln, Argo and Silver Linings Playbook. All good flicks, but, man, Daniel Day Lewis blew me away as Lincoln. Good stuff!
I find Lincoln to be so fascinating. The more I learn about him, the more I want to know about what made him tick.
As opposed to somone like, say, Kim Kardashian, who I don't know anything about and yet I want to know even less.
* * * *
I would much rather see Amber Dietrich and Courtney Adams playing basketball this winter instead of texting me updates to tweet of Steinert and Hamilton girls' basketball games.
But they are injured and can't play and that stinks. But thanks girls, for contributing to the cause. You're the best!
And while Amber has been promoted to Fish4scores Director of Twitter Operations (with a 50 percent pay increase from her original salary of nothing), Courtney's work from mid-season on has promoted her to Assistant Director.
Please don't be late for the next staff meeting girls.
* * * *
I would also like to thank another Twitter contributor -- who I will only refer to as "Outcast of the People" -- but he can't seem to stay at the games for more tha none half -- and sometimes the decision wasn't his to leave. :)
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Check back later this week when we provide Super Bowl picks from the township's athetic community.
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OK, I leave you with this trivia question -- which I guarantee 80 percent of you won't be able to answer:
Who won today's Pro Bowl?
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